Don’t believe your own propaganda

Posted by Jim on Jan 7, 2009 0

This conversation was this morning, after we have moved out and on, in Immensea. The CEO of Solar Flare Assembly contacted me on our public chat channel to see if we would give him our POS password so he could get some cans from our space.

Why he was flying around our POS is interesting. Is it because he knew we wouldn’t fire on our old alliance mates? Is it because he knew we might be moving out and want to lend a hand. Or is it because we are the next target in the downfall of Lando and the Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss (SFA) Alliance. They cannot take out Chaos and Tank ‘N’ Spank, so rather than focus on just one enemy, they focus on the next one in line. Talk about a total and utter lack of dedication.

In the chat log, you can see where he is crying that I caused all the harm t their alliance because although someone else apparently removed all of the fuels from their POS’s, according to rumors, and then at the same time a mysterious fleet of ships from the group that comes through every day ANYWAY, appeared and messed them up.

Now might this have anything to do with the SFA getting SOV 3, even for a day?
Might this have been called in by the person who took their fuels?
Might this be the fault of -A-, and the SFA should declare war on them?

Irish Blend > when you decide to leave, make sure you do it then tell him
Irish Blend > because if you bring it up first you will be an enemy yourself
Irish Blend > hey congrats BTW
Irish Blend > I heard that all of those markers that Admiral Tintin has been talking about for weeks got called in like he said on Monday would happen and a huge battle fleet of dreads and capitals would sweep in and blow Chaos out of your space
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Irish Blend > we are moving out
Irish Blend > we were moving out on 2/1 as planned in December due to goals not being met
Irish Blend > the fuel in the pos was set to the closest day to force that decision once we made it
Vincent Jarjadian > where’s your tower heading?
Vincent Jarjadian > once it’s down
Irish Blend > no idea
Irish Blend > not to a UNL station
Irish Blend > and unless I arrange a friend to find a friend that’s a hauler and do a jet can drop somewhere up the pipe, not likely anywhere
Irish Blend > but that’s how you show others corps how you let people leave
Irish Blend > You know yourself, how you let people leave shows how you are to the ones staying
Irish Blend > even with CHAOS I wanted their stuff taking down…..they could move it at anytime, but it had to come down
Irish Blend > we have been taking it down
Vincent Jarjadian > and Irish, you think giving away intel and badmouthing us will look good to new alliances?
Irish Blend > when did that start to happen?
Irish Blend > after Sunday
Vincent Jarjadian > in your forum post
Irish Blend > we had already been moving out
Irish Blend > yes it started after Sunday
Vincent Jarjadian > you made a post with capital ship movement intel on it
Irish Blend > no
Irish Blend > have you read my post?
Vincent Jarjadian > what alliance will want someone who will give away their intel
Vincent Jarjadian > yes
Irish Blend > nowhere does capital ships even occur
Vincent Jarjadian > it says cynos
Vincent Jarjadian > what else you moving with cynos?
Vincent Jarjadian > frigates don’t have jump drives…..
Irish Blend > your confusing intel with what everyone around us know
Vincent Jarjadian > you gave away intel that you were moving out, and AAA came and took a look. they got an easy kill. you tell EVE were laying cynos and they look for them
Irish Blend > go looking for a new alliance now and at the start of the convo have people say “your in the group that is losing carriers and industrial ships, aren’t you?”
Irish Blend > whoa mister
Irish Blend > do you think for even a second
Irish Blend > that -a- came into that space for the first time ever because of me?
Irish Blend > if you do then you haven’t been done there enough
Vincent Jarjadian > no, but because of your post they came in force that day
Irish Blend > -a- has free range of all of those systems hours before and after downtime
Vincent Jarjadian > and killed a JF that should have been in a POS
Irish Blend > so -a- works for me?
Vincent Jarjadian > no, but you gave them that intel
Irish Blend > what intel?
Vincent Jarjadian > that you would be moving out
Irish Blend > they know everything going on
Irish Blend > so does unl, un , cva, ssi, and people on the other end of space
Irish Blend > I’ve been trying to recruit people and corps…the corps have flown all through our space in covert op ships never touched
Vincent Jarjadian > well… then it was pure luck the only time they bring a 40 man gang to our door is after that post, and only pure luck and stupidity that a jump freighter was killed
Irish Blend > and pure luck someone emptied all your fuels?
Irish Blend > no sir
Irish Blend > it had nothing to do with Admiral Tintin calling in markers for a Monday dread capital invasion to defend your own space for you
Vincent Jarjadian > no, you gave them the intel that you were moving, and gave them intel about capital ship movement. cbop got the infiltrator to remove the fuels
Irish Blend > do you even consider that if he did contact people, which for a moment I don’t think he ever did, that begging others to come in force to defend that space for you attracted attention?
Irish Blend > your smarter than that Vincent
Irish Blend > step back and put stuff in a timeline
Irish Blend > you know what is going on around you
Vincent Jarjadian > if you don’t understand that you gave intel away, then I feel sorry for you. you should be smarter than that
Vincent Jarjadian > I am thinking
Vincent Jarjadian > you gave away intel on the forums, it is there for all EVE to see
Irish Blend > here how about this doosie
Irish Blend > did you read my last post on that thread?>
Irish Blend > the guy calling in DOOM
Vincent Jarjadian > yes, that’s the one mentioning a chain of cynos
Irish Blend > who was he calling in doom on? You?
Irish Blend > that’s your own guys
Vincent Jarjadian > indeed
Irish Blend > I made that post the following day after you were attacked
Vincent Jarjadian > our guys moving our capital ships
Vincent Jarjadian > or our friends
Irish Blend > and that’s exactly it
Irish Blend > when did they show up?
Irish Blend > how many were there?
Irish Blend > and in what local where you and every other CEO in at the time?
Vincent Jarjadian > I hope they aborted because you gave the fact they were moving away….
Irish Blend > Because that chat was said in local
Irish Blend > they aborted?
Irish Blend > they didn’t exist
Irish Blend > how can you abort when I post something the next day
Vincent Jarjadian > try and have a nice day, I hope your members don’t suffer from your actions.
Irish Blend > Posted – 2009.01.06 14:12:00
Irish Blend > and that is what happens when you buy into your own propaganda

I wonder why Vincent doesn’t use this – here I put this together to save them the time since they are all so busy putting on battle gear. When this actually happens, please let me know -

To all who read this notice,
SFA was invaded in its sovereign space recently by a marauding gang from the -A- Alliance. With no current standing diplomatic relations with -A-, and -A- continued incursions on a daily basis into SFA space, during which gangs of 1 to 6 -A- member pilots have caused losses of combat and industrial ships, SFA has no choice but to declare war on -A-

The SFA will be mobilizing its OWN forces of capital ships, dreads, titans and carriers to begin the systematic destruction of -A-

Until such time as an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth justice has been enacted, an offers of cessation of hostilities will be rejected

SFA Leadership

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We all know that won’t happen for many reasons
**SFA has no fighting force of its own
**SFA has a blowhard in the leadership ranks Admiral TinTin that gets spouting he is going to call in markers. When will that call actually go through? Did they move and not give you the forwarding number? Do you just keep getting voice mail?
**Admiral TinTin on Saturday evening / Sunday morning said “I have markers I have called in and a fleet will be here on Monday to wipe them out of our space” – If this statement was relied upon by the SFA and it did not happen, he should be resign immediately for failure to deliver. Unless he isn’t a man of his words, in which case he should be booted out of any leadership roles.
**SFA had a member leave the alliance and rather than demand stuff come down, and help them leave the space peacefully, they waited. And waiting turned to a neighbor in their own space. And they have yet to remove CHAOS and Tank ‘N’ Spank from their space. Why not?
**SFA is dying, member corps have left, member corps have left 0.0 space and abandoned this exercise, and member corps are still in the alliance telling others they are waiting for it to die

Lando, now is the time for you to remove all of your alt corps to ensure a real vote. Call a meeting of the CEO’s at your POS in 0.0, and only those CEO’s present get to vote. Ask them if you can honestly do this or not. And if they say yes ask them for numbers THEY can bring from their own corps. And then ask them when those resources can be there in front of you. And then and only then do you count them.

You will see that the count is very, very low, and it’s time for you to turn the alliance over to someone else and follow in their footsteps or just get out.