National American Miss crap contests

More junk mail from scumbag organizations begging to steal your money as a parent of a child within the ages of 4 to 18. Pretty huge next. And guess what, we have been invited to one of three local events

Spirit Productions, Inc.
11777 Katy Freeway, Suite 120
Houston, TX 77079
800-927-2727

They invited me to an open call – yes the letter was address to James not to any of the woman in the house at the following dates

Friday, April 18 – Philadelphia 7:00 pm Radisson Warwick Plaza Hotel 1701 Locust Street 215-735-6000

Saturday, April 19 – Philadelphia 11:30 am, 1:30 am, or 4:00 pm Crowne Plaza Hotel – Philadelphia Center 1800 Market Street 215-561-7500

Sunday, April 20 – Atlantic City Area 1:00pm or 3:30pm Marriott Seaview Resort & Spa 401 So. New York Rd. Galloway, NJ 609-652-1800

Yes on the third location they left out the spaces after the time and on all three did not capitalize AM or PM. It is not my typos

Some pageants charge entry fees, some requires ads for the program book, others charge fees. But these organizations that send you bullshit junk mail are just professional organizations created to make money off of stupid parents begging for attention for their child in a huge world.

Kathleen Mayes, State Director, can kiss off. Sessions do fill up on kissing my ass, so be sure to visit the website at www.namiss.com/MissNewJersey or call her at 800-927-272 to tell Kathleen how much she can kiss your ass. But I am sure she is one of those snobby kids in school who had a click to hang out with and was a bitch to everyone else, but did not know it because they all had something wrong with them. What was the moms name in Charlie and the Chocolate factory? Is there a reason Little Miss Sunshine was a huge hit? Because moms want to make fun of these people and their sickness for attention? Why didn’t Kathleen’s dad just take her outside to play basketball or take a walk around the local park every so often. Maybe then she would not be so starved for attention to be running a beauty pageant.

35 thoughts on “National American Miss crap contests”

  1. Interesting reading. Funny you mentioned the pageant’s typo, you have quite a few yourself in this post. Actually, I too got an invitation the “Open Call” here in San Antonio. We went and had an awesome time. These guys are for real. They had professional photographers there shooting incredible head shots for free, $25 for the digital release which was completely optional. They really helped my daughter to feel great. I didn’t purchasse the photos, and there was no pressure, they still made her feel like a model. There were door prizes for modeling scholarships, and a very friendly staff. There were a couple hundred people there at our session and my daughter made several friends and got a real confidence boost. There were interviews as well. It was fantastic. They don’t have a swimsuit competition, which makes me and my wife feel very comfortable. The main focus is on the inner beauty, the stuff we can control, rather than the external. Actually, I think this is what an “American” pageant should be. Perhaps you should think twice about trashing things you don’t know about – you’ll loose credablity if you’re not careful.

  2. Ladies and gentleman, I present Mike, who owns a digitial video web site that offers and advertises services with the National American Micc contents. This is what we call a comment with no credibility. In no way does he identify himself with the organization. Mike, were YOU the digital photographer at the pagent?

    Smart parents know these things are set up by a small number of people who want to make money off of helping parents prop of their kids to make them feel good. Nothing more. Come in, pay a few bucks, prop you up, tell you how awesome you are inside. Sell you some junk services you might have otherwise never paid for.

    The kid who says she is a model because her mom pays a studio to put together a portfolio is not a model. The kid who gets taken to a pagent to help her feel good has some crappy parents. You kid should know he or she is important to you and has the potential to be a great person. Pagents or not.

    Anyone else associated with the pagent in any way want to tell us how great the pagent is? Maybe next time clowns like Mike will get a hotmail account first before the go web whoring for self generated positive feedback.

  3. I love the national american miss pageant. It is not a scam. It has been a blessing to my daughter. ……

    This year alon she has donated her time to several community organizations. She has participated in benefits for cancer, she has become a spokesperson for kids fight cancer.
    ……..

  4. ladonnaworks@hotmail.com and 2 other email addresses later, this web troll made the above lenghty post supporting National American Miss. And in this tirade she goes on to tell us how her daughter is not a spokesperson for cancer. The arrogance of these people to claim being a spokeperson for a world wide research effort going on for decades.

    Besides the arrogance we have the usual drivel about how the program made her daughter better. A little news for you – a few hours standing in a crowded room with fake attention fron people trying to sell you photos of your kid does not make them beautiful – the childs parents do.

    Now for the fees, she mentions that there was no money paid by her. Then adds that she had sponsors. SPONSORS is the code word from these clowns for friends and relatives you sucker into paying the fees, aka their profits. Of course they want you to get sponsors who get blurbs in little handouts telling you how much they love you. It is all just a feel good circle jerk, and the parents who fall for this stuff hook line and sinker are the ones jerked around.

    If you enter your child for the fun of it, thats great. If you think entering this will change their lives, you need to seriously step back and ask yourself how could a few hours make such a life altering difference? And those few hours shared amongst a room full of other individuals no less. Is it really that simple to prop up your child?

    If its that simple to prop them up, how simple will it be for someone to knock them down when they have a bad day at the thing we call life in the real world?

  5. Wow Jim. What a moron you are. Where should I start? You begrudge parents for taking an active roll in a child’s life by supporting them in pageants where they have to be poised, educated, talented, interested in school and hobbies and are loved by family and friends? What is your preference? Maybe they should be on the street hanging out with gangs and getting into trouble? If you do not like the mailings – take the time to call the National office and have yourself removed from their mailing list – I see you already have the telephone number. That would have taken less time than your idiotic answer. Obviously if you are on their mailing list – one of your many “friends” signed you up – that is how they get addresses to contact contestants. My daughter competes with National American Miss – some years she wins, some years she doesn’t, but she has met so many of her best friends this way and I have come in contact with many moms that I speak with on a daily basis who are amazing people AND my daughter LOVES competing in the pageants. When she stops begging me to enter her – I will. Until then, I will lovingly support her and enjoy this activity that she holds dear to her. National American Miss is an OUTSTANDING organization. When was the last time you helped a child in your community? Kathleen Mayes and her husband are outstanding individuals. You obviously have never met either of them….. and by the way – National American Miss is nothing like the pageant on “Little Miss Sunshine” – the NAM organization does not allow make-up on the younger contestants. Little Miss Sunshine is part of the Pro-Am type of pageant system – something that is completely different from NAM. Do us all a favor and stick with what you know which probably consists of drinking beer and watching WWE OR become educated on what it is you are complaining about. You sound stupid.

  6. Mary comes to us from the law firm of Dreier LLP and decided to post using her work email address – mailto:msaintpierre@dreierllp.com and use a work computer to make her comments.

    At this point, we can only assume that her opinions are those of her employeer since she is using company resources to make that statement. Or are you just stealing from your employeer Mark?

    Now on to your inane comments – junk mail. No one ever signs up to get mail from NAM – they add you, buy your name, or get it from other people. It is how their ilk latches onto people like you with a little to few friends.

    You have made friends you cling to every day through these events? Is your life so devoid of other activities that you only have friends from the events?

    As for beer, you as a paid web troll for NAM understand that I don’t drink beer because you read my entire blog to see what other boo hoo things I say about you.

    Well, just remember – when you google for NAM, I am on the first page, #3 on the list – its NAM, NAM videos and then ME reminding people about the crap they get in the mail and how it is crap.

    Now, please move along and troll elsewhere. I am sure mailto:info@dreierllp.com is looking to speak to you.

  7. Jim, you haven’t even begun to scratch the surface on National American Miss.

    A scam? Legally, no. Ethically, yes.

    Don’t get me wrong; I don’t dislike beautiful people, only the predatory adults who prey on parents with low-self esteem and believe “open calls” and pageants make their daughters feel “really great.” I can think of a bazillion ways parents can help their daughters (and sons) “feel great” that have nothing to do with competing for Best Thank You Note and Most Ticket Sales. How about competing in a spelling or geography bee? Serving on student council? Going on a church-sponsored mission trip? As for “making friends,” can’t kids do that at school? On sports teams? In school-sponsored activities? And as for the merits of “donating time to several organizations,” I know many kids who do so without the incentive of having to “impress” kiddie pageant judges — they do it because it’s something they “feel good about.”

    I’ve seen how National American Miss works from a distance. First of all, you pay the entry fee to the state pageant. Of course, you can deduct that fee by selling ads in the pageant book (not that anyone’s business benefits from such ads, unless you’re a photographer or own an up$cale kiddie boutique). And, yep, those ticket sales — even family members have to shell out cash to watch the family beauty queen walk on stage in really expensive clothes (I know of one mother who spent $800 on her 6-year-old daughter’s pageant dress!).

    But the whole pageant scam isn’t just about the pageant itself. The parents of one of these pageant hopefuls I know of spends at least $300 a month on dance lessons and who knows how much on a pageant coach! Then there are the clothes and the professional photographs (and, yes, they cost more than $25 for a head shot!)

    Maybe this is a worthwhile dalliance for a stay-at-home mom who can afford such nonsense (really, do you believe 6- and 7-year-old National American Miss hopefuls are selling all those tickets and program ads?) — but what if the family really can’t afford to indulge in such vicarious fantasies? And what about the rest of the siblings in the family? Certainly, there can’t be enough hours in a day to supervise homework and pick them up and take them to sports games and practices or student council meetings — and I can assure you there isn’t. Again, the “parents of one of these pageant hopefuls” finds time to spend the weekend 140 miles away from home for their pageant child to attend a dance competition/recital, but can’t find time to visit their son/step-son at college 20 miles away. Heck, they don’t even contribute a dime to his tuition, books or living expenses (or 3.6 GPA).

    I’ll be truthful, I’m a shocked-and-awed by-stander to all this pageant silliness and the adults who see the value in it, but when it comes to reviewing resumes and interviewing female (and male)job candidates, I really don’t give a flip if they won Most Recommendations or Most Photogenic when they were 6, 10 or 12 years old. Are they talented and professional? Can they do the work? And if I had daughters, I’d certainly prepare them for a world in which they have to compete — for jobs, respect and credibility — not hair, clothes and photos … or thank-you notes!

  8. Fun with National American Miss FAQs

    What are the benefits of entering National American Miss?

    This opportunity of a lifetime can be yours. Besides trophies and the possibilities of winning prizes, scholarships, cash and awards are the self-confidence and experience you will gain from interviewing and appearing on stage in front of an audience. You will create memories that will last a lifetime and it is very likely you will meet friends you will cherish for years to come! You will have fun while building valuable life skills!

    Wow! “Possibilities” of winning prizes, scholarships, cash and awards. So there’s no guaranteed return on investment of the $440 “sponsorship fee” (and the money spent on clothing, dance/talent lessons, pageant coaches and photographers, which North American Miss claim “aren’t necessary to compete.”)

    Is previous pageant experience required?

    Absolutely not. Anyone is quite capable of doing well and even winning in our system regardless of prior pageant experience. We will provide you with all the information and help you need. We are looking for a confident young lady who can proudly represent her state. First time contestants make terrific contestants and can make wonderful winners!

    So maybe your daughter can be a first-time pageant winner, but lots of training – aside from whatever “information” the pageant folks provides – helps.

    Is National American Miss a “beauty-pageant?”

    Definitely not! You are scored 30% on your Personal Introduction, 30% on Formal Wear Poise and Appearance, 30% on Communications Skills in an Interview, and 10% on Participating in a Community Involvement Project on Pageant Weekend.

    Legally, 30 percent of formal wear (really, how many 6-16-year-olds wear formal wear??), poise and appearance doesn’t qualify it as a “beauty pageant” but it’s the bulk of the scoring requirements. It definitely sounds like a deal-breaker, not to mention it carries more importance than community service!

    Do I have to be “beautiful,” thin, or perfect in some other way?

    No. National American Miss pageants, while glamorous events, are not at all like typical “beauty” pageants. In fact, as you see above, the majority of the scoring in our pageant is based on communication. Good communication and presentation skills are what we want to recognize and encourage. Braces, glasses, skin problems, varying heights, and many other conditions are all just part of being young. The judges are giving you scores based on where you are in life, just the way you are. What you need to concentrate on is doing your best and remembering to be positive. SMILE and do the best with what you have! If you can develop and apply this attitude now, it will benefit you your whole life!

    Competing on “where you are in life, just the way you are” really puts a Plain Jane on equal footing with a Junior Diva? Having young girls compete in “communication and presentation” among their peers in “real life” is stressful enough – let alone in contests organized by adults! Plus, I have yet to see an girl with acne, braces, glasses or a weight problem depicted on the NAM Web site.

    Do I have to get “coaching” or other formal training?

    No! Everything that you need to know for the pageant will be taught to you on pageant weekend at the rehearsals. We will also assist you with many tips in our informational packets.

    Then make it mandatory that all entrants don’t get coaching or formal training and have a genuine competition! C’mon … that’s like telling a kid his or her baseball team can win the International Little League tournament in Williamsport, Pa., without ever having a practice … they’ll just learn everything about baseball when they get there.

    What color does my formal dress have to be?

    You want to feel confident and special in your formal wear dress. The judges are looking for how you wear your dress. Is it age appropriate? Are you confident in what you have on? There is no specific color or style that is required for our program. Choose the color that looks best on you. You will know you have chosen the perfect dress, the right color and style when you put it on, feel confident, special and cant wait to wear it pageant weekend! Look for that dress that when you put it on you and your mom go “WOW”! Make sure you refer to the guidelines for your age division for dress length etc., found on page 10 of the Magazine #1 that each participant receives.

    Note: there’s no question in the FAQ that asks “How much should I spend on my formal dress?”

    Are the personal interviews one-on-one?

    Yes, the Personal Interview competition will be conducted one-on-one with each judge. You will rotate until you meet and talk with each of the judges. Your questions shall consist solely of topics such as family, education, hobbies, community involvement, etc. In addition, you may be asked pageant related questions such as: What do you hope to gain from your participation in this pageant? Should you be selected the national (or state) winner, what do you anticipate “doing” with your title?

    Note the question: “What do you anticipate ‘doing’ with your title? I’m assuming that they’ll want to know how well you’ll market the National American Miss title – on your dime without any reimbursement or staff assistance from the organization.

    Is there a swimsuit competition?
    No, there is no swimsuit competition. We have the four required competitions. There are also additional optional contests offered. However, swimsuit is not one of those contests.

    There are formal wear and casual dress competitions, which still leaves me to wonder how NAM is not a “beauty pageant.” I’ll safely assume that the red sequined tube top and matching hot pants and boa from “Little Miss Sunshine” aren’t recommended.

    Will I be judged on Community Service?

    10% of your total pageant score will come from Community Involvement. Earning the full 10% is EASY! Simply bring a stuffed animal or a new childrens book with you to pageant weekend, and you will receive the full 10% toward your pageant score! During pageant weekend, we will be presenting local policemen and firemen with the stuffed animals; they in turn will take the stuffed animals on calls they make to comfort little children! We will also present area schools/libraries with the new books. This is a fun, rewarding way in which every National American Miss contestant can serve her community!

    So all it takes is buying a $1.49 Golden Book or a teddy bear from the dollar store to “earn” 10 percent of your pageant score? Dang, I guess baking cookies and delivering them to a local senior center isn’t necessary.

    Do I have to raise my sponsor fee, or can we just pay it?

    It is up to you. You can either raise your sponsor fee, or you can just pay it. Whichever works best for you and your family. Remember that the total sponsor fee is $440.

    Is that the rationale of not calling $440 an “entry fee”?

    I would like to be in the pageant but how do I get sponsors?
    The best place to begin is where your family does business. Examples are Cleaners, Insurance Companies, Banks, Doctors, Dentists, local stores, etc. Call ahead to make an appointment, and dress neatly when you visit them. Visiting potential sponsors is good practice for your interview. Most sponsors will want to ask you questions about the pageant. They receive recognition in your state program and if you should win your state title they may also be recognized in the National Book.

    In other words, this is an unpaid advertising “internship,” right?

    What is a Sponsor Fee?

    The total sponsor fee is $440.00 and can be divided up into payments if you request. The sponsor fee pays for the cost of producing the pageant, awards, trophies, choreographers, emcees, lighting, sound, staging, judges expenses, staff, florists, hotel ballroom rental, cash awards, printed materials, scholarships, office support and all of the many other things that go together to make our program stand heads above all the others. You may have as many or as few sponsors as you wish contributing to make up your total sponsor fee of $440. Businesses, family, friends, or fundraising activities are all great ideas for raising your sponsor fee. Without exception, sponsor fees are non-refundable.

    No mention of how much of this money goes to Steve and Kathleen Mays or Kenn and Lani Maples, the co-founders of the National American Miss pageants.

    What if I miss my sponsor fee deadline?

    Dont worry! If you miss your deadlines, you can still be in the pageant. Just call your state pageant office and they will be more than happy to assist you. Your state pageant office can help by extending your deadlines or giving you fresh ideas for possible sponsors.

    This is a first: a competition that doesn’t hold contestants responsible for entering on time. Obviously, responsibility and follow-through aren’t part of the judging criteria.

    Do I have to sell advertising to enter?

    No, selling advertising is not required. You will be given the opportunity if you wish to sell ads to receive special prizes or awards. This is a great opportunity for you to gain recognition in your community, make sure your hometown and community are recognized in your state program book and earn great prizes like FREE HOTEL NIGHTS! You will receive information that explains the price of the program booklet advertising and all of the prizes and awards that are available.

    “You will be given the opportunity if you wish to sell ads” … to receive special prizes and awards? I’m assuming they’re encouraging entrants/parents to sell more advertising than needed to cover the “sponsorship fees.” And is it possible to “win” a free hotel night by selling ads that are “valued” less than the price of a hotel room? And since when is working as an unpaid salesperson an “opportunity”?

    <b?Do I have to stay at the hotel?

    No. However; it helps make the weekend more enjoyable for you since all of the pageant events are right there. Since you will be changing outfits several times each day, most contestants will tell you for the convenience alone it is best to stay at the host hotel. If you would like to stay at the hotel, there are special discount room rates available for the pageant families and guests. You will also be receiving information about how you can earn Free Hotel Nights in future information packets. Staying at the hotel is not a requirement, it is a convenience for you and your family to help you enjoy pageant weekend even more!

    It doesn’t sound as if the $440 “sponsorship fee” covers the expense of adequate dressing and hospitality rooms (Hotel rooms for the hotel sponsoring the contest in my state run $129-$239 a night, and the pageant runs for three days. I don’t know what the pageant promotional rate, but hotels.com and expedia.com don’t offer any deals.)

  9. I THINK YOU HAVE WAY TOOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS, LOOKING AT YOUR OTHER POSTS! WHY CAN’T OTHER PEOPLE SEE MY POST?????? ARE YOU AFRAID YOU ARE WRONG????? WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE MODERATED??? YOU DONT’ WANT US TO GET TO YOU…………WHY IS THERE NOT AN E-MAIL ADRESS FOR YOU????? ARE YOU SCARED OF THE PEOPLE YOU TRASH???

  10. nam_mom07 nam_mom07@yahoo.com, if you can’t figure out MY email address, you are not trying very hard. And why would I make it easy for idiots like you to send me an email? Make a comment on the blog so all the world can see your tirades.

    I do not trash anyone. I lay out the truth, and I tell it like it is, straight up. If a program is shit, I let you see all the shit that it is, and make your own decision. I don’t just rant and rave, I spell out facts and details, being specific. That is why I point out when I get garbage mail and junk email.

  11. Huge long tirade trolling post on how a simple kid standing on a stage will turn them around from all the bad parents and their crappy job parenting, and into wonderful people. Maybe if you spent more time WITH your kids, they would not need a pageant to turn them around.

  12. This is ridiculous. xosammirayexo@aol.com makes a comment but cannot answer a confirmation email. Before anything like this is written, a person should look into what he/she is talking about and be for real. … I have been involved in this pageant for six years and I can honestly say that without it, I would be the person I am today. [Jim - then who would you be?] I have grown so much because of it [Jim - can we see pictures? ] …

  13. Listen carefully. I’m at the NAM pageant right now typing this message at the Hilton Lafayette Tower in Lafayette, Louisiana. The above comments are VERY TRUE. There are so many fees that we were not prepared for and you’re too far deep into it with your child’s smiling face to back out of it. I will never do this again – EVER. The kids who sold the most ads get more exposure than any of the other children. You get nothing for your $440 pageant entrance fee. They force you to purchase their own flowers or you cannot give them while on stage. If you want to give them while your daughter is on stage, you must spend $20 for 3 roses, which would cost about $5 at Walmart. Any of the workshops to explain what is going to happen will cost you more money. Basically, your daughter will be clueless if you don’t spend this extra money. I also saw several of the judges helping out with registration during the first day, which makes me wonder how they are not biased when judging since they know which children made them money by selling the most ads. Anyway, in short, this weekend experience for my daughter has cost us over $1,100 and learned my lesson the hard way.

    Also, the photos for this Hilton Towers in Lafayette, Louisiana shows a beautiful pool, however it had dirty water and they don’t seem to have a policy to stop “trash” red necks or very rude blacks in the area from coming to swim anytime they want to do so. We tried talk with other families at the pool to see where they were from. We found out 2 families were locals who lived in the area and just come to this hotel occassionally to swim. The hotel has no policy for checking this out. There is a gate, however it is left open and anyway can walk in. The public parking lot has a walkway open directly to the pool.

  14. I too just got back from the Lafayette pageant and can honestly say that I can see both sides of the story here. I took my 9yr old daughter down there as a father with my military wife on the other side of the world, so it was definitely a unique challenge to say the least. I was skeptical of all the emphasis placed on selling ads for the program, raising the entry fee through sponsors, and a few other things that made the red light in my head go off, but I said why not since my daughter had never entered any type of pageant before and was very excited to do this. I made sure she understood that we weren’t going to sell ad space or enter any of the optional contests that all cost money but were simply going there to try it out and see what we thought, and that there was a definite possibility she would not place in the competition. She was good with that. I got a pretty formal dress from Dillard’s for $45, matching shoes for $14, and a nice interview outfit for $35. I paid the $40 for the Production number outfit and that was it for clothes. Yes, it was a little bit of money when you add in the entry cost and hotel, gas, food, and so on, but let me tell you what I got for my money: I saw a smile on my little girl’s face that never quit the whole time we were there, a smile that had become a bit scarce in the months that my wife has been away. I have missed it. She was excited from the moment she woke up until I got her into bed each night. She made a number of friends who she is keeping in contact with and already talking about next year and making plans. She practiced her speaking, making eye contact, responding to questions with complete answers, presenting herself with grace, confidence, and composure, and a number of other skills that will only benefit her for the rest of her life. I watched and helped her practice all this, but there is no greater feeling as a parent than to go and watch your child take center stage and shine with a belief in herself that she wants to share with everyone present. Most young girls dream of the chance to wear a pretty dress with pretty shoes and pretty hair and be the star of the show. This was my daughter’s chance and she loved every single moment of it. My 10yr old son escorted her out for the formal wear portion in his tuxedo and was proud to do it. Needless to say Mom’s got some pretty incredible pictures headed her way! Did we win? The contest, no. The moment, yes. We knew coming in that only one crown would be given out, but we also knew that winning isn’t about what you put on top of your head – it’s what you take away with you, and for that we got the biggest prize.

    Concerning the Hilton, I saw some of what dk saw, but I don’t hold that against the pageant people – it’s a Hilton deal.

    As for the staff of NAMiss, I can only give them the best kudos for a job well done. They were extremely professional, courteous, friendly, and always willing to help in any way they could. I could tell that these were people who truly cared about what they were doing and proud to be doing it. Their attitude and demeanor quickly won me over and my kids just thought the world of them. Because of them and what we experienced that weekend we will be back next year (and they do provide a substantial fee reduction for returning contestants). It was worth it. I could easily sum it up in a Mastercard commercial – Priceless.

  15. Its good to know you went into it with eyes open about all of the costs and hidden costs. I wonder if you take all the numbers you posted and add it up including travel and entertainment I think you would be suprised.

    While I am sure this is a girls dream to be in such an event, there are other options available that don’t require such a major bang for the buck in a short amount of time. Local drama classes as a quick example charge far less, and still get your children up on stage performing.

    The National American Miss program, regardless of how it makes you or your children feel at the moment, resorts to mass marketing, slick ad campaigns and IMHO, ploys to lure in people for their own profit.

    Did you see a financial statement at the end of the pageant telling you how much they raised, and were it all went? Or did it just go into someone’s greedy pockets as profit to fund the next mass wave of junk mail for the next event?

    I am a capitalist. I believe in the system. These people prey on little girls and unsuspecting parents. When you go to Wal Mart you now they are there to make a profit. On some items, small, others large, or some in volume. The National American Miss is taking advantage of a moment of weakness when Daddy’s little girl flashes her pretty eyes.

    Disney has a Bipidee Bopadee Botique in Orlando. For a fee your little Princess gets all made up. The price is up front, you get a picture taken, and she walks around all day, all bedazzled.

  16. I had very bad personal experience with National American Miss.

    Like everyone else I got calls and emails from National American Miss and I knew the program was expensive, but initially all their staff appeared nice and friendly. In consideration to give my daughter a chance for on-stage performance (talent shows), I did not mind it and thought it would be all worthwhile. I even thought we would join the program for many years to come so that she will learn through the process and from the experiences about public speaking and being poised….

    Well, it turned out the organization was only after parents for the money and never seriously in any interest of our benefits. As soon as we made payment for the sponsorship fee and talent participation fees, they treated us like we as parents and consumers like dirt. They were rude, demanding, unhelpful and unethical, from the staff all the way to the management. The whole competition process took two days and during the whole two days, the show and competition was run very disorderly and chaotic. The staff and the managers around were so indifferent to customers needs and no knowlege of their own program and process. Whatever you asked about the competition process, their replies were always “we don’t know. You need to take care of it yourselves.” or “We weren’t be helping you on that. Your own responsibility. You should have known that.” Their attitude was like “we only collect money and everything else should be your parent’s job.”

    The management was so disfunctional that when they were short of flowers for Juniors’ competition, they then stopped selling flowers to the parents of younger kids. We were not even offered a chance to make the purchases. Just so outrageous! Then they also disenroll my child from the competition without our knowledge and permission, but when we showed up for the show because we were not aware of their mistake, we found out our names were not in their publications and system. We asked withdrawal but being declined. Not only that they were so rude and unethical, trying to hide their mistakes, they acted like Mafia and pull my daughter’s name out of competition but still wanted to charge us for the process.

    These people were completely robbers or mafia. It was absolutely a terrible horrible experience for my family, myself, and my daughter. Seeing her feeling bewildered because of being excluded from appearing on the stage due to NAMISS’ chaotic management, it was just such an ordeal, and an expensive ordeal.

    I have to admit it was my biggest parental mistake to believe in this program and this organization. I am sharing my story here to just let anyone be aware of this kind of expensive mistake. Don’t participte NAMISS – waste of your money and give yourself only troubles. Especially the management of this organization, completely lawless mafia type of people. They charge participants of such high fees but have so limited employees working for them. Many of the staff were just volunteers who are past winners parents with limited trainings. No wonder they did not have manpower to take care of participants and provide decent services.

    Absolutely we will never be in this program again. I would enroll my daughter to participate in many other competitions but just not this one, for sure.

  17. How do you know of “5 other people” who are commenting and posting on this one blog post on just this one blog? Do you all work for NAMISS and troll the web trying to snuff out accurate, unbiased and well thought out negative feedback?

    It seems very very unlikely that 5 people on the Internet personally know each other and are all coming here.

    But then again, I am that brilliant and I am a beacon for greatness, and you my dear are the moths drawn to the flame. You love me, admit it. So tell me, which picture of me do you find the most attractive to you?

  18. Sari, posted 4 tirades without a lot of focus, so I am asking them to send us some proof of their claims. It seems little Sari claims to be a winner, state winner, winner of some contest. If you won something, please start with that. Can you provide us with a link to the official website for the event showing what year you won, and one that isn’t your blog. But one that shows us who won the year before.

    You see little Sari, thats part of the joke ofthese events. Go to the Miss America site and see all the information for decades going back. It is a clear public record of what is going on.

    These bullshit events run almost fly by night. Where do you see a single website that links all of their events together giving us stats on how many people got mailed in their mass invites, how many showed up, then signed up, paid the fee and then lastly competed. Thos would be some interesting stats into there business model.

    Now, outside of the business side of these profit making event on the hearts of little girls, where is the official website showing us a picture of the finalists on stage and the names of all the winners in all the categories?

    I mean,if you cant point us to a public and official website that shows you won, what did you win? Something that even they are not proud of to have awarded you?

    And yes Sari, on that links all of these events nationwide.

  19. Dear Jim,

    Every now and then I find myself google-ing National American Miss to see how the organization is fairing and how it has changed because it is a part of me. I will be completely honest with you (i.e. no fake e-mails, respectful of your opinion), it is hard for me to allow you to feel this way about NAM when you have not experienced it nor do you know what good it can do for a girl.

    Here is where it starts from the latest trolling fan or fake clown from NAM and their ilk to make themselves look good on the Internet. This poster gives the email address of addom01@yahoo.com

    And they ignore anything about my complaint. My issue if pretty simple – these are not pageants that lead you to becoming Miss America. This are private events which do not expose their books. These are private companies that market with mass marketing campaigns – aka junk mail
    I won NAM Texas Teen 2006 and went on to win the national title in California that same year, and your right, my parent’s weren’t the best growing up.

    Umm where does anyone care who or what her parents are?

    I grew up in a low-income apartment with my two sisters, and when my family finally moved into the “nice neighborhood,” my parents marriage couldn’t stand it. My sisters and I soon became a close second to whomever my parents were dating at the time. Long story short, (and cutting out all the sociological changes that have occured throughout my life), my parents weren’t there when I won either of my titles (we couldn’t afford it)

    They how exactly DID you afford it? The local beauty pageant in town here is free to enter, requires to costs, requires no selling of ad space. And provides a person to do free makeup on the final day of judging. It is open to all of the local residents withing the age category. How is NAM different or better? How many local free events did you enter?
    ………………….
    Long made up story and drivel to make us feel sorry for this person who cannot stay on topic – NAM is a for profit business selling making girls feel special for a few seconds while they make a living off of the parents, friends and relatives selling and buying things.

    With love,
    Jenna Simmons
    NAMTeen 2006

    P.S.- http://namiss.com/eventresults/national2006/results-teen.aspx
    Here’s a link if you don’t believe me. I respect that you don’t care for fraudulent writers.

    And we know this is really, really you? Where is the link on the NAM site showing us “Where are they now?” Telling us how much they care about you. And you are who in the list of 200 winners that day of the 100 girls that competed? I mean, who is THE winner in that list? Other then the company that got paid to run the event.

  20. Jim… I browsed around your site and the families site and I assume this is Brighid’s picture at the top of this page as I saw the same necklace being worn by her in the posting http://skamarakas.com/2007/07/19/out-and-about-this-summer.

    Your family is very lovely and you can see a devoted unit.

    The picture at the top of this post is titled 2008 Contestant. Did your daughter participate in a NAM pageant?

    You have points made, however, making any judgement about the parents who support their children in these pageants is not okay. Each parent and child will walk away with their own experience good or bad. Why try argue either way? Frankly it’s none of your businesses. If it is good for one, GREAT, bad for another.. they shouldn’t do again. Each owns lesson in life to learn.

    Good Day, with efforts put toward things of more value, like family and debate of value that brings resolution or positive change.

    Merry Christmas.

  21. Advocating for a girl I do not know but had no problems finding listed as a winner or runner up on the NAMISS website. Please see below for not only her website (easily found) but also the NAMISS website and results for this girls earnings. I would also like to point out that NAMISS utilizes the YouTube website and links girls from all over the United States with Videos of the Current Queens in their home town. I think if there were additional information that one was seeking they could obtain it by asking the questions to the organizers of this event.

  22. seannamarie@hotmail.com – first why yes that is my daughter on my blog. Go figure I would post a picture of my daughter at a pageant in a post about a pageant. I posted someone who is happy, content, has a great personality and is a wonderful person. Her family and friends love her and enjoy having her around.

    And we did not pay to enter her, we did not pay to buy d space in a stupid book, and we did not pay anyone or buy anything because there was no one selling anything at the events.

    Go figure?

    So everyone should sign up for these bogus pageants, ge burned and learn the hard way? Is that the main point you want to make, yee of bogus email address seannamarie@hotmail.com who will never reply again?

  23. Well…I have to say….I am totally baffled by all this crap….We went to and open call for Miss Teen San Francisco 2009 a couple of weeks ago and What I have read and found on the internet are pretty disturbing…Of course…no out of pocket exspense, however you have to ask local businesses for sponsership? That should be the job of the pageant? Like any other sport or event…they get backing from businesses. That should not be the girls responsibility. They basically notified her by phone on a Monday, told her the letter of acceptance should be to us by Friday so that we can use it to get the sponsership. So that left us 2 weekend days to run to businesses that are CLOSED on weekends because THEY want 1/2 hte sponseership in at time of rehersals….
    CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF THIS IS NOT A SCAM?…Being a single mom my friends tend to look out and investigate…I was told…TOTAL SCAM!

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