NYLF working to steal parents money again in 2008

It is March and the campaign to steal money from parents of high school students is begining in ernest again from the questionable National Youth Leadership Forum. The NYLF advertises itself as a forum for the education of students. It provides parental paid events for children with a tone of educational benefit and opportunity. What is it really?

The organization runs paid seminars and targets names they get from mailing lists. Nothing more.

If a senior member of the NYLF wants to be interviewed to dispute my concerns and opinions on their business practices, please let me know. I will be more then happy to do so, record it, and post it on the Internet for all to see. But parents, ask yourself, do you really think someone just decided to send you all this slick marketing material because Mrs. Jones loves little Billy and how well he is doing in English and nominated his name? All without your prior approval? And that Mrs. Jones has access to his academic record to state that your child is meeting the grade requirements on the nomination website?

The literature would have you believe that your child was nominated by a teacher or educator. Contact them when you get the well polished junk mail and ask them who released your students personal and confidential information. Then sue the local school board and send your child to college for free. This is when you will find out that your child checked a box on their SAT/PSAT or ACT.

What Jim, their marketing materials states –

“Students are nominated by educators, community mentors and alumni of NYLF programs. We also work with educational organizations such as the College Board and the National Research Center for College and University Admissions…”

They say right up front that they get information from mailing lists.

Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. They do say it. AFTER they lead you with the your child is sooo special statement about being hand picked. This is the marketing trap that they use to lure you in.

Parents, if you have $2000 to throw away to the NYLF and send your child out of your hair this summer for a week or two, then go ahead. Pay all of their travel expenses, give them lunch and spending money, and get them out of your hair.

If you need to save for college, if you need your child to get a scholarship, financial aid, and great grades so they can get into college, then take the flyer, call the NYLF, ask them where exactly they obtained your information. Ask them to remove your minor childs name from their databases and cease all mailings immediately. They will agree and advise you that mailers have already been produced for future mailings and those might not stop in time. Future mailings? Oh yes parents, be prepared to receive 3 or more of these slick letters, pleadings and beggings for your hard earned money to send little Johnny or Suzy away to the NYLF and all of its events. All in high glossy color, with plenty of smiling pictures of happy children.

Interested in Medicine? Your son or daughter get an invite to the NYLF-MED events? Take them to your favorite physician and ask them about the benefits and merits of your child going away to this fully paid summer camp. And then as you throw the flyer away, talk to your child about those people in this world who will try and take advantage of you at any turn.

Does the NYLF run its seminars? Yes. Are they worth it? I do not care. So what is the big deal? Their business practices of luring in parents with statements about their special child being nominated. And of course that they hide behind their status as a not for profit organization.

Or that they steal names from unsuspecting parents and students who check off a box on the SAT letting the college board share this information with education institutions. You will not get a letter from Harvard saying your child was nominated by an unknown educator, please send them to us. Yale has your name from that same list, as do all of the other colleges that send you marketing postcards, letters or literature. None of them have the full press marketing effort that the NYLF sends it targets. Be warned.

Is the NYLF a scam? Is the National Youth Leadership Forum a waste of money? You as parents have to decide that between you and your child. Use all the junk mail you will get tragrted as a lesson to educate your child on the value of money and how used car lots target you with slick offers to tug at your heart while they open your purse strings.

where do we put fraud warnings in a wiki?

Parental warning – possible scam
Be aware that this organization gathers names from mailing lists and opted in examinations. Its primary source advertised in mailers and on its website and FAQ states “Students are nominated by educators, community mentors and alumni of NYLF programs. We also work with educational organizations such as the College Board and the National Research Center for College and University Admissions…”

This is a misleading statement. Parents are advised to contact the NYLF and ask them what teacher released their students personal and confidential information without your express written consent, thereby possibly violating federal, state and local school board policies. Then you will be informed that your childs name was provided because they may have selected a check box on their ACT, PSAT, SAT or other regional or national examination to receive marketing materials from educational institutions.

If your childs personal information has been released without your consent to the NYLF without your consent you should contact your local school board to pursue corrective action immediately for the safety of your child.

32 thoughts on “NYLF working to steal parents money again in 2008”

  1. It is always great when these organizations get someone to post responses about their organization using brand new email addresses. Take the response about Shashin Doshi, M.D. National Youth Leadership Forum, made by a smittyhoy. This ficticious individual, whos IP address IP I have, decided to “Hello, I just made an account only cause i came across this rediculous forum. For those of you wondering, no, NYLF is not a scam.” and ends with “Plus, this isnt even a credible website, so I personally wouldn’t believe anything on here for even a second.

    Email me if any questions because I won’t be coming back here.” and then includes his email address.

    Now the timing of this is funny, since it occured on several places at the same time. And doesn’t fail to answer the biggest issue with the NYLF. They are a scam organization that toughts with slick marketing that your kid is special and was nominated by an unknown, unnamed teacher or educator, so send us a few thousand dollars. Or, if you read the fine print, it might have gotten to you because of a check box on the PSAT, SAT or ACT.

    Parents are urged to throw the junk mail from the NYLF in the trash, and wait and see if a second piece shows up. Then you will know it is junk mail.

    Don’t want to throw it away? Call them and ask for the name of the teacher that nominated your child and gave your your name, childs name and your mailing address. Then call your school board and ask them how this was possible that your personal information was released without your consent.

  2. Well, I know Jim will accuse me of being “someone to post responses about their organization using brand new email addresses,” but I promise, I’m not. I would just like to clarify something. Although I have not yet attended this program, I am this summer, and I did my homework before deciding to attend.

    What I found in my researchis that NYLF is truly an inspiring program that intellectually, ethically, and socially exposes students to new things and ideas.

    While this program most certainly will not get a student into college, it will tell them about and begin to equip them with the tools we will need to succeed our goals. So you’re saying just because the selection process isn’t so great that we should disregard this program completely? Well, I’m not OK with that.

    You still think I’m someone hired by Envision EMI to say positive things about the program? If it makes you feel any better, you can check out my blog here:

  3. Your blog starts out with –
    Hey, I am Carissa and I would like to welcome you to my blog. I am just freshman in high school who knows that she’s destined to become a doctor.

    And has less then 10 entries. Not much to go on there.

    The issue is how they advertise and attempt to lure in parents and kids to give them money. Not wether the program is worth the costs.

    MIT, Harvard, Princeton and Yale do not send out material like this.

  4. OK, so I’m not a very dedicated blogger.

    And, actually, just a clarification, I have recieved mail from MIT as well as many other reputable colleges. By checking off the “Student Search Service” box on the SATs or PSATs, you are consenting to having this information send to you.

  5. And that is exactly the point – there are no nominated little sussies and johnnies – it is all advertising from a check box. A check box that parents and students this will get them flyers from MIT if their kids score well enough andhave a profile that fits. Not junk mail flyers for summer camps that lure you in with slick junk mail slogons and lies to pump up your ego while emptying your wallet

  6. No, some people are nominated by teachers. And actually, according to collegeboard, “By simply saying “yes” to the Student Search you can receive educational and financial aid information from colleges, universities, scholarship programs, and non-profit educational opportunity organizations that are seeking students like you. These educational organizations will receive your name and address if you have, for example, a specific grade average, score range, intended major, or if you live in a particular state or zip code.”

    So when you check the box, you are aware that you may recieve mail from organizations other than colleges. And it says it right there that it has nothing to do with your SAT scores.

    Also, I recieve a lot of flyers from very respectable colleges (for example, MIT, WUSTL, Brown, etc.) that I would consider “slick junk mail slogons.” Are you saying that I shouldn’t apply to these colleges in a few years because of that? Well, I think otherwise.

  7. 1 – you are a Freshman. Why are you getting offers? Because you checked a box on a form.
    2 – No senior or junior teacher nominated YOU. Or every anyone else most likely.
    3 – If everyone or 99.9% comes from the check box, why do all the junk mail flyers and the web site start with “NOMINATED” and “Your child is special” if not for slick marketing hype to lure in suckers and their money

    Look, I am sure you feel special replying to this post, but the reality is you are just verifying my point – seniors and juniors are not nominated by their teachers – they checked a box.

    And even you as a freshman are getting the junk mail. Of course, why as a freshman are you taking your SAT’s?

  8. I took my SATs in 7th and 8th grade with the gifted and talent program at my school and I took the PSATs this year because everyone at my school is required to take them. However, I don’t see why that is relevant.

    And while, yes, I was nominated to attend because of my SATs (I know this because that’s what it said in my letter), a large portion of attendees are nominated by teachers. Want proof? Here’s the section of the NYLF website for teachers:
    And here is a search for “teacher” on the NYLF Message Boards:

    Also, if teachers didn’t nominate students, how would freshman and sophomores attend the program since most ninth and tenth graders don’t take the SAT, PSAT, or ACT?

  9. If you actually read the links you provided you will see that one is a form for teachers to register and provide students private information,and the second, a forum search of kids thinking they must have been nominated by a teacher.

    What we never see if the number of individuals contacted by the junk mail, flyers and SPAM sent out by NYLF and their programs, the number from a check box, and the number nominated by teachers.

    Why don’t you look for NYLF on teachers forums and see how often you will find a teacher going out of their way to give away kids home addresses, which they themselves do not know, to encourage those kids parents’ to spend thousands of dollars, which those teachers don’t know if the parents have.

    It is a very cheap and crappy business model that does not hold water. But again, your age shows in your not looking at the entire process from beginning to end.

  10. I am here because I google searched NYLF scam. My son is considering attending the National Security program. His favorite teacher (and ours) at Cary-Grove HS in Illinois in fact nominated him and discussed the program with him. It does not mean we are sending him but we are considering it. We are not sure if we would comfortable sending him alone. Given what I have read in the last two days it seems to be not so much a honor and resume builder but more of a education trip on the merits of this field. I did not find the mailer much different than the heavy handed generic praise that the collages are sending on a daily basis.

  11. And that is part of the problem with this program – they bill it 100% as an honor to prey on the motivation of parents to want your child to be great. They ride that and make you forget that it really is just junk mail advertising a day care program for a few days.

    When is that last time you heard anyone who went through the program actually say how it benefited them AND how they got it? You never hear both, you just hear it was awesome I made friends for life, blah blah blah. Its marketing BS and an overpriced daycare program.

  12. Maybe Jim you should go through the program before trashing it.
    Now I will stop the spam from an obvious supporter of the program. The email address they used – girl_zdream@yahoo.com – does not show up in a web search anywhere. Please, if you are going to troll, please make a few posts elsewhere with your bogus email addresses. And I do not need to go through the program to know it smells like shit. It sends out junk mail, that makes it shit. It sends out clearly deceptive statements about how they get your name from a mailing list in small print after huge certificates praise little sally or little timmy as a genius nominated by their teachers. Its shit because of what it does, how it looks, and how it smells.

    I went to the program for national security, because I was nominated by a teacher.

    Please tell us how your teacher released your personal, private and confidential information to a third party without your parents consent.
    Please tell us the teachers name so we can ask them why they did this breach of PII data,

  13. …my name and information may have been circulated by the college board..Yes, it’s good to be conscious and wary of scams…
    Another long winded troll comment from someone who cannot verify they attending, is under the delusion that I care about the program itself, and is missing the point on HOW the advertise.

    alexis_koda@yahoo.com – does not come up on a web search, so it is interesting that she found this blog and make an account and two posts today back to back. Is this outfit begging people to come here and post support hoping it will do any good?

  14. I found this site on my own accord. If you google nylf this is like the third site down. …This is, as you say, not the point. I am merely trying to show that despite the way they advertise,… your attack on their advertisement methods makes people question the program as a whole. …

  15. I noticed your site a while back but hesitated to reply. Let me just state for the record the I worked for Envision EMI and their subsidaries NYLF, CYLC, etc. And, I must say, everything you have been saying……..is true. They’re whores for money and are run at the top by 2 people with no business acumen. They employ over 200 full-time staff to extract every available cent out of any parent who has high aspirations for their son or daughter. Its quite slick marketing and looks very impressive, I know. But frankly, most of what they say are lies or half-truths.

    Student information (address) is bought and sold like a commodity. Most of the students don’t know, when asked, why they were nominated though they technically never were.

    But this is just the tip of the iceberg. The forums are like paid seminars and even then, they pay their speakers quite little. For NYLF med, its rare to see an actual doctor-the vast majority of speakers are either interns or residents looking to make a few dollars. The only advantage I could see to sending your son/daughter is for the National Security Program where they get to interact with officers from the intelligence, diplomatic and military services. But even then, thats just a few hours one night. Its not worth 1500 dollars or more.

    What I found to be most troubling is the cookie-cutter educational curriculum written by a somewhat conceited group of people who don’t have much understanding of what makes a good teacher or even the subject matter itself. For instance, the mock trial during NYLF Law was written in a way that didn’t even contain a role for a live witnesses. How many trials do you know of that lack such an individual?

    Further, the faculty advisor, the one that facilitates the curriculum and directly oversees your son/daughter generally aren’t qualified for the job. Many have degrees totally unrelated to medicine, law or national security. And most of them are quite irresponsible people, with some noted exceptions on both scoress. Would you want your son or daughter in the hands of these people? How would you like your son to learn about the law from a performing arts major who never took a single class on the subject?

    In any event, Envision EMI and its subsidaries are a business and use deceptive practices to extract as much money from their customers, the parents of some really excellent young men and women. The parents of these students are really doing some good things with their children and neither they nor their children deserve this.

    So, why did I write this? Perhaps I am a bit disgruntled, and I am. But I also was chaffing under the practices of the company and felt that I had something important to say. This company is scamming parents left and right though the ultimate cash cow is PYIC, the Presidential Youth Inaugural Conference. Its sightseeing with no educational content for 2500 dollars. And they aren’t even paying their staff.

    I am most aggrieved at the mere idea of parents dolling out money year after year for programs offered by these charlatans who believe most parents are half-wits dumb enough to spend the money on these programs. There are much better programs out there for your son or daughter-Presidential Classroom comes to mind as do the programs run throughout the US by the John Hopkins Center for Talented Youth. These are excellent programs that offer challenging courses, stimulating debate and college credit. Most of the students are motivated and very interested in these subjects. It makes sense to get your money’s worth.

    Don’t waste your money on anything offered by Envision EMI. Your son or daughter will have a good time, but thats inevitable. They will not, however, get a better shot at their desired college and likely won’t learn much. They’ll claim it, but when pressed, its hard to make that stick unless your son or daughter had a very good faculty advisor. By why roll the dice?

    I would be happy to comment further or answer any questions that you may have, fully and completely.

  16. I was nominated to go to this conference, as my cousin was back in 1999. My cousin and his mother told me it was amazing, and that it was quite the experience.
    So, I’m torn between two decisions, here.
    I just received such a notification today that I was “hand-selected” to attend this conference. They profusely announced my academic achievements, when in the last two years of high school, I had recieved one F, a few D’s and C’s, and little B’s and A’s.
    What academic achievements?
    So, it is of great confusion to me, wether to attend and experience this rarity, and see for myself wether it does benefit. Or, to save the money.

  17. Call them ask them a simple question – “Hello, you say I was nominated for academic achievment. How did you obtain my academic transcripts? Did my parents give you written permission?”

    The answer will tell you it is all a scam. You take a test or buy a magazine or do anything else to get on a mailing list and they bombard you.

  18. I attended NYLF-MED in Chicago last summer and I’d like to say that I probably had the ten most fun days of my life. I learned so much, met many new people, and experienced many new places. Without a doubt in my mind, I now know that I want to go into the field of medicine.

    I was nominated by the College Board after taking the PSAT and/or the PLAN during my sophomore year–but honestly, I don’t see anything wrong with that. Maybe it is not as prestigious as you may believe, but I am a junior in high school that, other than my classes at Ohio University, take a full AP schedule and I did not meet anything but an above average or top of the line student there. But, don’t get me wrong–this isn’t a nerd fest. Many of the people attending (including myself) are multiple sport athletes interested in many things other than school.

    I realize that this program is very expensive to attend. I was fortunate enough to have well-off grandparents that offered to pay for my tuition. It cost a lot, but I think that it was more than worth it! I still keep up with the friends that I made there and I will never forget them or the experience!!

    Coming from an attendee, this is not a scam. Yea, it’s expensive. Yea, maybe teachers aren’t the ones that generally nominate. But yea, it was one of the best experiences that I have ever had.

    Molly M
    NYLF-MED summer session 2 – Chicago
    Team Freud—whoosh!

  19. was nominated by the College Board after taking the PSAT and/or the PLAN during my sophomore year–but honestly, I don’t see anything wrong with that

    Who told you that you where nominated and what was the criteria used? You may be suprised that you where nominated because you showed up to take the test. <- period. No time do I dought your being smart, intelligent, cute, witty, talented, or a great person. I am arguing about the bogus marketing materials that talk about your teacher or some other method nominating you.

  20. Check out this article from a California newspaper detailing the degree to which companies like NYLF, their parent corporation Envision EMI and a competitor known as Lead America are scam artists who lie to parents:

    While there is little doubt that a good number of the students are high-achievers, the fact that these conferences are not available exclusively to them means that it is not as prestigious as they market it to be. There are just as many students nominated who are not high achievers-however, those students attend in smaller numbers, but they still attend.

    Envision EMI never sees your transcripts and never asks teachers about grades, AP courses and the like-they never really ask teachers anyway. They too are being scammed, receiving a glossy invitation, certificate, etc. So to say that students and parents are the only victims here is wrong; it takes educational professionals who tout how wonderful the program is when they are invariably asked about it by their students (based on what they read from the materials sent to them of course) to make these scumbags appear legitimate.

    So is it a scam? No. Is it pretty close to being one? Absolutely. Its a sight-seeing tour that does a nice job convincing its “scholars” that there’s an educational value to it. I would be curious to know what MollyM truly learned, if she did, that she could not have learned elsewhere for less cost. Doing group flip-chart activities with the information copied from a book and visiting a med school is not learning. Anyone from off the street can “learn” from that.

    After all, this person’s faculty advisor is trained in such a way that anyone from off the street could come in and facilitate the curriculum, as corporate management has no problem pointing out. She had a good time and met a lot of fine people, but likely convinced herself she learned a great deal: Perception becomes reality.

    Let’s hope that in this economy, Envision will be forced to make serious cutbacks and hopefully collapse. They fell nearly 25 % short of their goal for their latest and probably worst program yet, The Presidential Youth Inaugural Conference, where they charge the 10 day price for 5 days, visit lowly 3rd party candidates in luncheons, see the sites and maybe get within 1000 yards of the inauguration site while doing almost nothing of educational value or importance.

    Do these people really have any shame? No, they honestly don’t.

  21. The article, which I can’t post for some reason, was published in the Monterey Herald on November 24, 2008 by Peter Funk and is titled “Longtime scam still preying on hopeful students,” an apt title indeed.

  22. Hi Jim,

    I would like to communicate with you about your postings regarding the aforementioned educational scams. I’m a freelance writer and grad student in New York. I hope to hear from you.

    C. Martone

  23. http://jrpyicparentcomplaints.webs.com/apps/blog/
    For any parents or “scholars” who believe in this company, please check out this site. I was one of those parents with a “nominated” child (actually she was, her teacher told me..she didn’t know it was a scam). My daughter went in 6th grade for 12 days and had a good trip. She went again based on the previous one as a Sophomore in high school to thePYIC fiasco and scam. She was not fed for over 12 hours, was left ON HEER OWN for the inauguration..no reserved area as promised, missed speakers, waiting in line for three hours for dinner, luckily she got through before they ran out of food. Her trip to see the monuments at night> not so much. The took over 7000 to a shopping mall and dropped them off. She bought her own dinner in a food court. Children were negelected, unsupervised, and totally misled. This was a complete chaotic mess. Check out this site as well as on facebook look for UPIC .

  24. NYLF walks a fine line between being a scam and a positive experience. In all cases they use marketing practices that I find purposely deceptive. They make statements about schorship funds being available which I found to be misleading. They put out an effort to make the child feel special and they prey upon that to generate profit. There is no question that the programs are over priced, but, the actual experience for the child, appears to be mediocre to good based upon my research. The positive side seems to be interaction between the attendee’s and not the programs themselves. I made the mistake of providing a deposit, and, a couple of days later had to withdraw do to financial hardship, they flatly refused to refund any monies, and it is in the fine print, but it gives you an idea of the focus; this was months in advance to the program taking place. And, if you follow the trail of their business organization and the programs that the administrators have been involved in the past, its clear that it is about the money. There are better ways of spending your money to gain better results.

  25. After spending exactly one hour investigating NYLF I have concluded that the program is bullshit…capital B. We received our “letter” today….I have a seventeen year old high honors student interested in becoming a doctor !! Soooo, of course I thought that this letter was legit; high achiever, interested in medical field etc. etc. Luckily after getting all excited I slowed it down a bit and googled !! THANK YOU JIM for all YOUR hard work on this subject. Here’s the deal, my daughter has lived through bone cancer TWICE in her young life. She cannot participate in sports, two surgeries took care of that, she doesn’t have many friends let, the diesease scared them off long ago. She spends most of her time buried in her books and doing homework above and beyond..it has really paid off in her grades. So when the letter arrived we were elated, thinking that some really important program/people were available to her because of all her hard work ! Hah, what a joke. We are an example of what scams can do to a young person who is made to feel that they were chosen to be a part of an exclusive program because of all their HARD WORK…it crushed her when I had to tell her that it was a glorified daycare, a money grubbing group of people who don’t care about the person behind the name/address on the envelopes they send out. I sat her down and told her that some day, when she is through med school and on to her own practice in pediatric oncology she should set herself up with a little side-line hobby, taking on people and groups like NYLF, and securing legislative acts against their preditory behavior. I liken them to child abuse !! In our case it certainly felt like it. I am so happy to have found your site Jim, again thank you for your detective work!! For the fools that continue to believe that NYLF offers anything more than a risky, VERY risky trip for their child for two weeks….Shame on you parents…send them to a REAL CAMP this summer where they will be safe and actually learn something new. OR here is an idea…get your kids active in predator prevention !! Get the word out about scammers like NYLF and prevent them from raping the wallets of parents. Keep them from hurting innocent kids like mine through their misrepresentation tactics, outright lies and deceit. Hey Doshi, how many times have YOUR KIDS gone through the programs??!!! Regards, N.H.T Maine

  26. Here is the email I sent to NYLF
    Subject: Nomination for NYLF

    Thank you for the wonderful invite from Dr Shashin Doshi. My daughter is really surprised and proud that because of her hard work and good grades(;-)
    she was selected to participate in the Forum.

    I am assuming Dr Doshi or your organization is going to put up the bill for her to attend the program at one of the convenient sites listed in your brochure.

    Please call us back at the earliest if you need any information.

    PS: Instead of having a forum on Medicine and other areas, you should focus on setting up a forum on “How to Scam People(much worse – kids)

  27. Has anyone thought to check this with the Better Business Bureau? I did and the National Youth Leadership Forum, which is also known as Envision EMI LLC, has been rated F. They were revoked by the BBB in February 2009. Here’s the link: http://www.dc.bbb.org/report.html?national=Y&compid=7001305.

    My daughter also received her “special” invitation which she will not be attending. Good luck to those that decide to spend the $2,500 tuition!

  28. Everyone should check out the New York Times article published on April 13 entitled “Congratulations! You Are Nominated. It’s an Honor. (It’s a Sales Pitch.)” The focus is on NYLF, Envision and how it is more or less a daycare service that, as one leading expert states in the article, these programs offer no conclusive evidence to state that young people become more successful as a result of attending these programs.

  29. Greetings, Jim!
    My name is Natalia. I’m not a parent. Instead I’m one of those students that will be attending to the next NYLF session, well on this fall. I need a favor from you. Please tell me more about this program. My mom, before she paid for this program, told me that it’s a great opportunity. BUT if it’s not worthy, I’ve to talk to her about this. Please inform me about this program. I’ll apreciate it. If you could, please e-mail me your answer and also your thoughts about this program (ALSO tell me its highs and lows). I’ll be attending to National Security. My e-mail is sophie_mfns@live.com


  30. If nothing else they are unethical. I am amazed that they have not been shut done or embrassed out of business. If you follow the money you can see that it is a contrived to appear to be non-profit in nature and pro-education….

  31. From: Jay Reifert
    Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 4:49 PM
    To: jim@skamarakas.com
    Subject: National Youth Leadership Forum

    Hi Jim,

    I can’t figure out how to register on your site, in order to
    be able to post a comment. I just received a letter from
    the National Youth Leadership Forum, NYLF, congratulating my
    Junior daughter on being recommended for one of their
    programs, “…due to her academic achievement in completing
    the ACT.”.

    That would be a lovely start, if only she had already taken
    her ACT’s…which she HASN’T.

    I don’t mind receiving marketing letters, even though most
    of them go directly into my recycling bin without ever being
    read…but I very much do mind liars, and for the NYLF to
    start off their letter with a lie, destroys any and all
    credibility they may have otherwise succeeded in building
    with me.

    Anyway…if you could let me know what I need to do, in order
    to be able to post my comment about the NYLF, I’d appreciate



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